Feedback on Átila's Vision for D

bachmeier no at
Fri Oct 18 16:17:15 UTC 2019

On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 15:03:18 UTC, Chris wrote:
> On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 14:20:00 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
>> The point I was making is that you'd have to make a very big 
>> leap to go from this situation into anything that can 
>> reasonably be called censorship. Nobody's forcing Chris out of 
>> a position as CEO of Mozilla because he doesn't like D. 
>> Ironically, if anyone is engaged in censorship, it's Chris. 
>> He's posting here only to publicize bad things about D on the 
>> language's official website. He wants to prevent this 
>> community from having a way to evangelize.
> "evangelize", I'd say that's the problem. It's a religious 
> belief / community, is that what you're saying? Yes, I do have 
> issues with that. A PL should convince based on its quality not 
> on making people "feel good" about it, because reality will 
> come back to bite you. How long has it been since ARM 
> (Android/iOS) has been neglected? I first asked about it in 
> 2015.
> And again, I don't think low adoption rates are due to my posts 
> (I'd say it's Ola - just joking!). That's just shifting the 
> blame. That type of behavior is actually more detrimental to 
> your "cause" than my two cents. Think about it. Look at how 
> "dissenters" are treated and outright insulted (along the lines 
> of worthless creatures, idiots etc.). What impression does a 
> newcomer get from this?

If you prefer, call it marketing. When someone posts something 
good about the language, you jump in and start running it down to 
make sure that anyone reading that thread stays away from D. So 
yes, you are engaging in censorship. You are preventing others 
from having a usable platform to express their opinion. It's 
unimportant censorship so it doesn't bother me.

And for the record, I wouldn't ban you if I were in charge. But I 
do think it would be reasonable for someone else to do so, 
because there's no reason anyone should have a right to run an 
anti-D campaign on the D mailing list. It annoyed the hell out of 
me that you would go so far as complain about censorship.

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