An example of why I hate the web

[matheus]

On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 18:30:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 06:14:27PM +0000, matheus via 
> Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 at 17:34:37 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 01:19:44PM +0000, matheus via 
>> > Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]
>> > > It's the same with Microsoft, they're screwing the e-mail.
>> > [...]
>> > > It's just a shame.
>> > [...]
>> > 
>> > Just use Mutt[1]. :-D
>> > 
>> > [1] http://www.mutt.org/
>> 
>> But how the e-mail client will solve the problem in the e-mail 
>> server/service? Because the retention happens in the server, 
>> the client can't do nothing or can?
> [...]
>
> Ohhh, your server is Outlook?  Well, then, you're screwed. :-P  
> If you have the choice, use a different mail server instead. :-P

Yes, in fact I have another e-mail and this one is just an old 
e-mail (since hotmail days) that I keep because I still have some 
friends attached to it.

> Currently I run my own mailserver, and I configured it to 
> deliver directly to my PC, and Mutt accesses the local mailbox 
> directly. Once I delete something, it's GONE.  For good.  I 
> have full control over what happens to my mail, and I get to 
> decide what I do with it, where it goes, and how it's stored.

2 questions:

1) Don't you have any problems with spam filters from other 
services?

2) It's a cloud service or your own server in your house? If the 
later how you manage reliability?

> This modern idiom of the server retaining all messages your 
> behalf is IMNSHO a b0rken model.  It takes control out of 
> users' hands into the mail admin's hands. It's the same thing 
> with trend everywhere else, like web apps taking control of 
> your data out of your hands into the app writer's server, and 
> cloud services taking control of your data *and* your 
> applications out of your hands into *theirs*.  It's convenient, 
> no doubt, and in many scenarios more economical.  But there is 
> a fundamentally b0rken principle here, that you no longer own 
> anything, not your data, not your programs, your provider 
> controls everything. You no longer *own* anything, you're 
> merely a "subscriber" and the service provider controls 
> everything.  Just the way large corporations like it. Rather 
> than empowering the user, they empower themselves.  And at 
> last, the threat of users taking control of their own property 
> is neutralized, and the big corporations can continue to hold 
> you in their thrall.
>
> But hey, this is the hot bandwagon and everyone's jumping on 
> it, so why aren't you following the rest of the herd?  And so, 
> this b0rken design perpetuates itself.

Yes that's true, this model is really broken, but the problem is, 
having your own e-mail service may be target as spam for other 
services and need to be 24/7.

Matheus.