D is our last hope

[GrimMaple]

On Monday, 18 December 2023 at 14:08:19 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
>> Also telling they get the job done "quietly", are you trying 
>> to hide the fact dlang is nearly dead
>
> It doesn't add anything to the conversation to make ridiculous 
> claims like this with no evidence. Calling D "nearly dead" 
> indicates you're not making a good faith effort to participate 
> in a discussion.

I find it very funny how every time I ask anybody to show me any 
"real app" written in D (to prove that D isn't dead), nobody can 
do it. All I hear is "Symmetry this" and "Symmetry that". 
Sometimes DPlug comes by. But I still haven't seen any real life 
useful app being developed in D. Never. So it's always either 
Symmetry, either some rumors about some company allegedly using D 
back in 2015 to do something with no real proof that D is still 
there or it was used in the first place.

What is the point of a programming language? For me, it's to make 
software. If the software isn't being made - the language is dead.

> They didn't post complaints, they wrote code. Then once they 
> wrote all those libraries, other people used them.

For real? People complain about Python all the time. And because 
of those complaints something is being done about it. People 
complain because they care. When people stop complaining it's a 
telltale sign that they stopped caring (or left). Which is 
probably why you don't see a lot of complaints about D - because 
nobody is really writing D anyway. Every single person has left 
already.

> What will help this language at this point is working on 
> libraries, documentation, tutorials, etc.

I have been saying the same thing for a logn time now. But 
now-now, I say nobody will write libraries for a language that 
actively prevents you from writing libraries in the first place. 
Like, why do you expect someone to do their job when they 
**dare** to complain about stuff? The amount of times I've been 
told to "shut up and do it yourself" is seriously unacceptable. 
To a degree of being told "just fork the lang if you don't like 
it". This is no way to drive in contributors.

On Monday, 18 December 2023 at 15:14:51 UTC, Hors wrote:
> From me: all languages haves something to offer, like python is 
> beginner friendly, C was the master of it's time, Rust allows 
> you to write good performant and safe code. But I can't really 
> see whats D has to offer, D has many features of course, but 
> when you using libraries, you may need to throw away half of 
> the D.

Actually, over time, D became significantly lacking in features 
compared to other languages. The world has changed, and at this 
point in time, with Native AOT being a thing and producing 
reasonably sized executables, C# became a much better choice for 
me. And guess where I'm going to :)