***** D method override mechanisms borked ******

[Regan Heath]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:27:08 -0700, John Reimer <terminal.node at gmail.com>  
wrote:
> Regan Heath wrote:
>> Why mention Bruno is a student? What difference does it make?
>>  I don't know a lot about the issues around overriding protection and  
>> would be interested to hear why you think Bruno is wrong in his  
>> comments because what he has said so far (you've implied he's ignoring  
>> some issues, what issues?) makes sense to me.
>>  I get the impression you're not interested in discussing it, which is  
>> fine, can someone else illuminate it for me?
>>  Regan
>
>
> Kris actually voiced some of the feelings I've been experiencing about  
> Bruno's posts.  It's hard to articulate that kind of "feeling." But for  
> the most part, I feel he's accurate in his complaint (although he sounds  
> a little exasperated).
>
> Bruno does come across extremely confident, and while "ego" is a strong  
> word,  Bruno has given us very little indication that his posts are an  
> expression of anything other than that.  So that leaves us thinking one  
> of two things: either he really knows what he's talking about and likes  
> bombarding the community with statements of absolute truth, despite the  
> fact that nobody really knows why he thinks he knows (like maybe many  
> long years of research, experience, and study?) ; or he's a 21 year old  
> college kid who is quite bright, but has a penchant for talking about  
> what's right and wrong about everything as if his is the final word on  
> the matter.
>
> Either way, there's no common courtesy or deference to the experience of  
>   others, many of whom may have a whole lot more years behind them in  
> the computer industry. There's no gentle discussion. There's just  
> strident confidence about how things are with little justification for  
> it or evidence as to why. This world is full of gray areas and full of  
> systems that try to make an organized approach to understanding and  
> working in them, but that doesn't make any one system perfect.  As time  
> goes on, we find that out.
>
> Regan, It's less about his being a student, which as you say really  
> makes no difference, and more about how he voices his opinions with very  
> little reason for us to know why his word should be law on matters.  The  
> student thing comes up because that's about the only portrait Bruno has  
> bothered to paint for us (his signature).  And I'm afraid that portrait  
> is rather lacking in any substance.
>
> Regan, you've been in the same spot as Bruno, I think, and perhaps  
> empathize with him a little, especially in relation to dealing with Kris  
> :).  But you've doggedly persisted through, developed D code,  
> contributed to the community in significant ways and thus earned that  
> amount of respect you now deserve.  But there were times when people  
> were annoyed with your innate ability to start long-winded debates on  
> things. Some of your opinions came across the same way.
>
> When youth speak with so such confidence, it tends to come across as  
> abrasive, annoying, and egotistical, no matter what the original  
> intention may be.
>
> I'm giving Bruno the benefit of the doubt.  He probably just enjoys D,  
> this community, and the language related discussions so much, that he  
> has trouble holding back.  That's nice... but there are consequences to  
> any action lacking self-control. :)

I tend to agree with a lot (perhaps all) or what you've said above.

I do empathise with Bruno, he's obviously confident in his own knowledge  
and opinion, as I think many people are. He's also blunt and direct in  
expressing that opinion, as I can be. I have been in his position and what  
I needed in that position was discussion on the topic to either cement my  
ideas/thoughts or to discover new ideas (like those that Kris alluded to  
here) which would later change my opinion.

I've learnt a lot from this newsgroup, despite having 7 odd years of  
programming experience (which isnt a lot compared to some here I know). I  
don't think anyone, regardless of experience, should stop learning, and  
this newsgroup is a very good place to learn.

So, all I'm asking is for someone, who knows what Kris was alluding to, to  
explain it to me cos I can't see anything wrong (factually) with what  
Bruno has said so far. :)

Regan