Unofficial wish list status.(Jul 2008)

[Sean Kelly]

superdan wrote:
> Walter Bright Wrote:
> 
>> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>>> But, you said you didn't wish to mix functional and imperative 
>>>> programming? I don't understand.
>>> Not in the same language.  One reason being the impact it will have on 
>>> managing projects in D.  C++, for example, supports a sufficiently 
>>> diverse set of programming methodologies that large projects in it tend 
>>> to be a mess.
>> I agree that diverse paradigm support can lead to a mess.
> 
> that's like agreeing that ice cream consumption can lead to auto theft. what a heap of bullshit that is.
> 
> correlation is not causation. if we go by any reasonable train of thought, we'd see that c++ being multiparadigm is an advantage not an issue. people have written articles and books about how cool that is. they haven't written articles and books about what is sinking c++: the fucking syntax (bjarne is ok at a high level but he can't design syntax to save his life from a tribe of fucking horny and hungry gay cannibals); the shittiest exception model in the history of humankind (statically specified but dynamically-checked... worst of all worlds... what the fuck were they thinking about? shit); useless namespaces (what a useless pile of pigshit that whole feature is... and they can't even blame it to C... it was designed from scratch!); the template subsystem that is too much heat and smoke for the light; and a fucking million minor wounds, starting with "class" vs. "struct" shit and ending with copying at the drop of a hat.


Fair enough.  D supports all the same paradigms as C++ and yet I 
wouldn't say that it tends to produce unmaintainable code, so I agree 
that a lot of it does really come down to syntax.  But it can still be 
difficult to maintain a consistent API when part of the team wants to 
use structs and free functions, another part wants an object hierarchy, 
and yet another wants templates.  Tango has run into this a bit because 
of the varying programming styles of the people involved as well as 
feedback from users (some want objects, some don't, etc).  The result is 
still far better and more maintainable than C++, but I think some of the 
same issues exist.


Sean