Who favors the current D1 situation?
Gregor Richards
Richards at codu.org
Thu Mar 6 19:28:26 PST 2008
Bill Baxter wrote:
> Currently as we all know, D1 gets no new features, and D2 is a crazy
> rocketship that could change direction at any moment.
>
> Now I know a lot of people were asking for D to become more stable pre
> D1 days, but is this really what you wanted?
>
> I had initially assumed that the freeze on D1 was at least as much due
> to time constraints on Walter as it was due to a desire for stability.
> But in a recent message Walter said that wasn't the case. He said that
> backporting things from D2 to D1 was pretty trivial.
>
> So really then, it to comes down to Walter believing that the D
> community wants D1 to be feature frozen.
>
> Is it really true? Is there a group of folks who really want D1 to be
> frozen?
>
> I myself would like to see D1 get all new features that won't break
> existing source code.
>
> Things like:
> * New string literals
> - q{a=b} D-token string syntax,
> - delimited strings, q"(...)"
> - heredocs, q"EOF...
> * IFTI that works even if you specify one parameter,
> * Enhanced is expression
> - is ( Type Identifier : TypeSpecialization , TemplateParameterList )
> - is ( Type Identifier == TypeSpecialization , TemplateParameterList )
> * foreach(i; 0..10) syntax (ForeachRangeLiteral)
> * Overload sets
>
>
> I'm all with the sentiment that D1 code that compiles today should
> compile tomorrow. That kind of stability is great. But if it's not a
> big time commitment for Walter (which he says it's not), I see no good
> reason to keep new backwards-compatible features out of D1.
>
> I've heard other folks saying they want this from D1 too, but what I
> haven't heard is a great swell of active D developers saying that new
> features would be a detriment to their work.
>
> --bb,
> (who has now written and/or ported about 200,000 lines of D according to
> a quick check with 'wc')
Having an unstable base (and I don't mean unstable in the software
sense) makes reimplementations (including partial reimplementations e.g.
GDC), ports, etc very difficult. With a feature freeze on 1.0, there is
a solid, specified language that one can target without having to keep
up with a changing specification.
- Gregor Richards
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