random cover of a range
Jerry Quinn
jlquinn at optonline.net
Sat Feb 14 09:24:50 PST 2009
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
> > <SeeWebsiteForEmail at erdani.org <mailto:SeeWebsiteForEmail at erdani.org>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > bearophile wrote:
> >
> > Andrei Alexandrescu:
> >
> > Say at some point there are k available (not taken) slots out of
> > "n". There is a k/n chance that a random selection finds an
> > unoccupied slot. The average number of random trials needed
> > to find
> > an unoccupied slot is proportional to 1/(k/n) = n/k. So the
> > total
> > number of random trials to span the entire array is quadratic.
> > Multiplying that by 0.9 leaves it quadratic.
> >
> >
> > It's like in hashing: if you want to fill 99% of the available space
> > in a hash, then you take ages to find empty slots. But if you
> > fill it
> > only at 75-90%, then on average you need only one or two tries to
> > find an empty slot. So your time is linear, with a small
> > multiplicative constant. When the slots start to get mostly
> > full, you
> > change algorithm, copying the empty slots elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > Well I don't buy it. If you make a point, you need to be more
> > precise than such hand-waving. It's not like in hashing. It's like
> > in the algorithm we discuss. If you make a clear point that your
> > performance is better than O(n*n) by stopping at 90% then make it. I
> > didn't go through much formalism, but my napkin says you're firmly
> > in quadratic territory.
> >
> >
> > Well he has a point that the number of trials required to find an empty
> > depends not on the absolute number of empty items, but only the ratio of
> > empties to fulls. Even your own claim about average number of trials
> > was n/k -- not sure how you got that though.
>
> If you toss a N-side dice hoping for a specific face to show up (and
> stopping afterwards), how many times do you have to toss it on average?
> I recall (without being sure) that you need to toss it a number of times
> proportional to N. Could anyone confirm or deny?
avg_trials(N) = sum(t = 1-inf) { 1/N * ((N-1)/N)^(t-1) }
where t is the number of trials.
Experimentally, it converges to N
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