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[Nick Sabalausky]

"Nick Sabalausky" <a at a.a> wrote in message 
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> "Lutger" <lutger.blijdestijn at gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>> Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>>
>>> "Stephan Soller" <stephan.soller at helionweb.de> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should consider looking into some other browsers? Opera, 
>>>> Chrome
>>>> and other Gecko based browsers might give you a better experience that 
>>>> the
>>>> newer Firefox versions. This is the reason why there are different
>>>> browsers after all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> - Safari is ruled out because it's a blurry mess (all for the sake of 
>>> making
>>> it look more like the printed version? WTF?) and forces useless 
>>> background
>>> processes, has zero respect for my system's look-and-feel, and has no
>>> "Adblock Plus", "NoScript", or "BetterPrivacy" (Three FF add-ons that
>>> provide functionality that, for me, are absolutely 100% essential).
>>>
>>> - IE7+ is out because it has no "Adblock Plus", "NoScript", or
>>> "BetterPrivacy", and I don't like the unified forward/back buttons.
>>>
>>> - Iron is out because I *hate* absolutely everything about it's UI, and 
>>> it
>>> doesn't have "NoScript" (I've heard it has "AdBlock Plus", but I didn't 
>>> see
>>> it when I first looked so I don't know). Also, configurability seems to 
>>> be
>>> practically non-existent compared to FF.
>>>
>>> - Chrome is out because of all the reasons for which Iron was created in 
>>> the
>>> first place. I won't even allow Chrome (or Safari) on my computer at 
>>> all.
>>>
>>> - Opera is ruled out because it costs money and every time I tried the 
>>> demos
>>> it seemed to combine the worst aspects of all the other browsers, plus 
>>> had
>>> by far the most rendering problems.
>>>
>>> - And everything else like IE6-, Netscape, WebTV, Lynx, etc are all 
>>> ruled
>>> out for obvious reasons.
>>
>> Perhaps try firefox 4 (beta)? It is much faster, probably on par with 
>> chrome
>> now, and it looks a bit cleaner designed.
>>
>
> I'll probably try it at some point, but I seriously doubt it won't be the 
> same story as FF3. It's Mozilla's basic nature to refuse to allow users to 
> disable any of Mozilla's beloved *cough* "improvements", and to merely 
> scoff whenever people don't like it. They're never shown any interest in 
> making anything about the AwfulBar optional. Same with the unified 
> forward/back buttons, or every ugly-ass theme FF has insisted on using 
> starting with FF2 (That's why I use Winestripe.) And like most developers, 
> they've never shown any respect for people with light-on-dark schemes. 
> Etc, etc, etc, And they're a bunch or arrogant douchebags to boot. 
> Mozilla just has their heads ten miles up their asses and that's all there 
> is to it, and I don't believe for a second anything's ever going to change 
> that.
>
> Like I said, I'll probably try it at some point, but I *very* much doubt 
> it won't be the same story as FF3. And from the screenshots, it looks like 
> it'll end up absolutely horrid-looking on the Win Classic theme, just like 
> FF2 and FF3 and just like every Windows program these days that's designed 
> to assume the user is running that god-awful Aero theme (I think the only 
> reason people think Aero looks good is because it's not as bad as Luna, 
> and most people were too stupid to realize XP's Luna was optional.) Plus, 
> it looks like they're trying to ape IE7/8 and Chrome, and I think those 
> are some of the most butt-ugly and shitty-UI browsers ever made 
> (*especially* Chrome).
>

Just found a portable install of FF4 and tried it. And yea, pretty much like 
I expected. Just like all the other software being made these days, it 
refuses to use anything even resembling my native UI. Not to the horrid 
extent of Chrome/Iron, but still far worse then FF2+Winestripe. And, of 
course, there's no option to make it use native. There's no options to get 
rid of the AwfulBar, in whole or in part. There's no option to de-unify the 
unified forward/back buttons. And as far as finding add-ons to take care of 
that stuff, I'm not interested in loading my browser down with even *more* 
add-ons than I'm already using.

I'd rather do without all the pointless animations, but, again, they don't 
seem to allow that. And there's still a bunch of irritating tooltips, 
although FF2 has them too (But you'd think that *by now* they'd have had a 
chance to put in an option to disable them.)

It is faster, but that's not enough to make up for a shit UI.