DIP1028 - Rationale for accepting as is

[bachmeier]

On Friday, 22 May 2020 at 13:57:27 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> On Friday, 22 May 2020 at 12:47:04 UTC, matheus wrote:
>>
>> As an end user, I'd like to know if this language will be 
>> guided by community or one person, because it seems the 
>> "democracy" is very shallow right now.
>>
>> And again why waste time with this process plus 2 rounds of 
>> discussion?
>>
>> I mean just do it and tell in this announcement section about 
>> the feature.
>>
>
> The DIP review process is not intended for community approval 
> or rejection of DIPs. It's not a democratic voting process. 
> It's intended to elicit community feedback to enhance the DIP 
> under review (the Feedback Threead) and to allow the airing of 
> opinions (the Discussion Thread). All DIP authors have the 
> freedom to incorporate suggestions into their DIP or not, and 
> Walter and Atila make the decision to accept or reject. If you 
> look at the history of Walter's DIPs, they *do* take the 
> opinions into consideration even when he is the author. Several 
> of his previous DIPs have been withdrawn or rejected.
>
> If a popular DIP is rejected, it means neither of them were 
> convinced by opinion to accept it. And, as in the case for this 
> DIP, if an unpopular DIP is accepted, it means they were not 
> persuaded by the arguments against it.
>
> From my perspective, the process is working as intended, 
> despite the comments to the contrary in this thread. You either 
> convince a DIP author to modify his DIP, or you don't. You 
> either persuade Walter and Atila to accept or reject it, or you 
> don't.

I think the source of the problem is that Walter's DIPs require 
the community to prove that Walter's proposal is so bad that he 
needs to reject it. Anyone else's proposal has to prove that it's 
worthy of being added to the language. There's a big perceived 
gap between those two. As I've said many times, it's odd for 
someone to judge his own DIPs, and as someone that is an academic 
administrator and runs a high-profile journal, I can say this 
type of practice is not the norm in those areas because it 
doesn't lead to good decisions.