Nim programming language finally hit 1.0

Chris wendlec at
Thu Oct 3 18:09:06 UTC 2019

On Thursday, 3 October 2019 at 17:50:09 UTC, mipri wrote:
> On Thursday, 3 October 2019 at 16:57:13 UTC, Ola Fosheim 
> Grøstad wrote:
>> [...]
> Suppose a neighbor deliberately poisons your dog. How should you
> respond? By poisoning the neighbor's dog? What if you're morally
> opposed to poisoning animals in general? What if the neighbor 
> doesn't
> have a dog?
> Offenses can't always be replied to in kind. You shouldn't be 
> so alert
> for specific forms of offense that seeing them blinds you to 
> earlier
> interactions.
> For example, even if I wanted to hold a grudge over this rude 
> post of
> yours, such that I'd wait for an opportunity to jump in *after*
> you've stopped arguing with someone to say "woah! Let's all 
> settle
> down!", followed by mischaracterizations of your behavior in the
> argument, I just wouldn't remember to do it. And I'm morally 
> opposed
> to posts such as yours, or to holding petty grudges.
>> [...]
> This is the timeline:
> Chris expresses a view that D has an atrocious ecosystem, that 
> you
> can't just download and use D code like you can in Python and 
> Java,
> etc.
> I then complain mildly and indirectly about the hyperbolic 
> language,
> but mainly: I ask for details on what's so bad about the 
> ecosystem,
> and write a lot about potential badnesses that Chris could've 
> meant.
> You probably don't think this is "asking for sugarcoating" yet, 
> right?
> Chris then sneers that I am saying that D is "the best language 
> in the
> world" and that I am attacking him as a heretic, which is extra
> special annoying as this is blatantly a prepared reply to 
> "someone
> complaining about his D bashing" rather than a reply to what I
> actually complained about. Interpersonally, this is interrupting
> someone and smugly rebutting what you think they're trying to
> say--while being wrong about what they mean to say, while
> characterizing them as a stupid fanboy. Nothing ad hominen 
> here, I
> guess?
> There's then some back and forth about my sarcasm, because Chris
> offered nothing else to talk about, and I took the bait as I am 
> doing
> now.
>> [...]
> Just post about other stuff. Bump other threads. Talk about Nim 
> in the
> Nim thread instead of about arguments that you didn't pay a lot 
> of
> attention to. Or if you want to offer some general appeals like 
> your
> hopes for the D community, do that, and just that. You don't 
> really
> care the timeline above, right? So why make some non-ad-hominen
> remarks suggestions that read a bit like "we really need a 
> moderator
> in here to handle hotheads that insult people so obviously that 
> I
> notice it after they fail to get someone else to sugarcoat their
> views"? What part of that didn't you think wouldn't lead to more
> posts about the thing you're wanting to go away?
> I've been repeatedly insulted for asking for technical details 
> behind
> a vacuous and meaningless complaint about D. Because I was 
> interested
> in them. Because I'm interested in improvements to the thing I 
> saw
> complained about. I don't feel bad about some mild words like 
> "lazy",
> "unproductive", or "bitch-fest". What I've learned is to not 
> bother
> asking for details about vacuous complaints in here. People can 
> show
> they care about their own stated positions by being at least a 
> little
> technical or specific at the outset.

On Thursday, 3 October 2019 at 17:50:09 UTC, mipri wrote:

You do realize that it was you who hijacked this thread about Nim 
and tried to turn it into a flamewar with ad hominems galore. As 
for the details, well, anyone who has been on this forum for a 
while (as most posters here have) knows the details, and 
honestly, I won't repeat them every time a random poster says "If 
you don't provide details, I won't take you seriously." Everybody 
remembers the discussions and issues regarding: ecosystem / 
tooling, autodecode, GC, ARM support and loads of other stuff 
that pops up regularly. If you want the details put the 
aforementioned terms in the forum search engine. Also, if you 
find Ola's reply "offensive", seriously, I don't know what to 
say. Again, I wish you good luck.

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